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| CHEMMAN Member |
To rid an alcohol,say methanol of water.would it work ok to use calcium chloride,or would fractioning be better?? |
| Modesty Member |
Or maybe CaO will be better for alcohols? |
| Somaz Junior Member |
CaCl2 will work fine. Wash it with your solvent before adding if you're so inclined. It can be a good idea to store your alcohols over CaCl2 anyway - that way any water they absorb will be trapped in the solid. |
| Penis
Seinfeld Member |
CaCl2 cannot be used to dry alcohols, as it forms complexes with many alcohols. KOH, BaO, CaO, NaOH, and K2CO3 are all good for drying alcohols (I don't think the hydroxides can be used for lower alcohols). I'm pretty sure that the sulfate salts (Mg, Cu, Na & Ca) can be used to dry alcohols too. You might want to use CaO, followed by CaSO4 to get the last bit of H20 out. PS |
| Cherrie
Baby Member |
I would use Na2SO4 or MgSO4 to dry alcohol. CaCl2 forms a complex with alchols and this can actually be used to
purify an alcohol [MDP2Pol??] much like the bisulphite complex is used to
purify ketones. Vogel mentions this in a synth of Phenethyl alcohol. It
works best for primary alcohols. |
| CHEMMAN Member |
Many thanks to you all Will try wot has
been suggested!
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| Osmium Member |
Most of the methods do not work for drying alcohols. Why do they use Na, molecular sieves, etc at the local university? Dry your alcohols with Mg (see Vogel for details). |
| Somaz Junior Member |
Eeep. Shamed myself with that one. Sorry for the misinformation + thanks for correcting me. While we're on the subject... what are your recommended drying agents/methods for acetone? |
| Modesty Member |
There was a comprehensice posting about drying different stuff a while back. Does anyone remember who posted this? Hmm. thinking - could it have been Rathead? |
| Acme Member |
Stir for awhile over sodium sulfate, then pass down a column of Lindlar 4A sieves. |
| Xerxes Member |
i was waiting for someone to mention that. i brought it up in
the chem forum a couple weeks ago or so. here's titanium's version of that
rathead post.http://hive.lycaeum.org/ubb_board/Forum3/HTML/000832.html |
| Penis
Seinfeld Member |
Here are some good drying rules to live by: Drying Agents
If the substance to be dried is a non-viscous liquid and there is a relatively large amount of it, it may be dried directly. If there is only a small amount of the liquid, or the liquid is viscous, it should be dissolved in an anhydrous solutions and then the solution dried. This process minimizes loss of compound by absorption/adsorption onto the drying agent. Ok, this is getting to long, I will summarize:
Hope this helps someone. Actually, it better fucking help someone,
cause that was a lot of typing. PS |
| Penis
Seinfeld Member |
Oh yeah, you should occasioanlly swirl/gently shake no matter what. Sorry for the typos. PS |
| CHEMMAN Member |
Thanks all.Wow Penis thanks for a top effort MUCH APPRECIATED.This is good info for all types of drying!!! ![]() |
| Night
Trojan Member |
I read that CaC2 can be used to dry alcohols. I saw some in a camping supply store (OTC) for use with carbide (acetylene) lamps. Might be comparable to CaO. |
| Penis
Seinfeld Member |
There is no such thing as CaC2. If you meant CaCl2, then you didn't read this thread. PS |
| K.C.
Nicolaou Member |
Penis- CaC2 does in fact exist. It is manufactured by heating CaO and coke (carbon, not the other one ) to very high
temperatures. The C2(2-) is in the form of the dianion of acetylene. This
may be an extremely dangerous choice as a drying agent!! A chemistry
professor I once had did a demonstration where he dropped a chunk of CaC2
into a thick plexiglass tube containing about 1" of water. When this is
done, acetylene and heat are generated, and an explosion ensued . My feeling is that
MgSO4, CaSO4, and CuSO4 are all good OTC drying agents for ethanol.
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| Xaja Member |
Once upon a time bike lamps utilized CaC2 with water dripping on them to create an "actylene lamp" for riding at night. Believe it or don't, but thats what I read somewhere. |
| Penis
Seinfeld Member |
Okay, after I remove my foot from my mouth, I'll go back and sit quietly in my bioglogy corner.
PS |
| KrZ Member |
Anyone have any experience with drying solution of MeAm and MeOH? |
| K.C.
Nicolaou Member |
KrZ- Not MeOH and MeAm specifically, but I've used molecular sieves (3A I think) in an EtOH/amine/aldehyde solution to push the equilibrium towards imine formation in a reductive amination using NaBH4. I also have read an old synthesis reference where MgSO4 was used for the same purpose. If you were to use MgSO4, it would be much more likely to complex a little bit of MeOH than to complex any MeNH2, so you should be able to get away with MgSO4 as long as you don't use to much. Also, MgSO4 should not react with NaBH4. Hope that helps. |
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